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	<title>Comments on: The psephologist&#8217;s guide to stopping Boris</title>
	<link>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/04/23/tactical-voting-against-boris-johnson/</link>
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		<title>By: Haltemprice and Howden &#171; Pushing the boundary</title>
		<link>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/04/23/tactical-voting-against-boris-johnson/#comment-1164</link>
		<dc:creator>Haltemprice and Howden &#171; Pushing the boundary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/04/23/tactical-voting-against-boris-johnson/#comment-1164</guid>
		<description>[...] and&#160;Howden  Posted on 28 June 2008 by Pushing the boundary   I realise my track record on influencing people’s voting choices isn’t great, but for the record I wholeheartedly agree with Dave Cole’s conclusions on next [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] and&nbsp;Howden  Posted on 28 June 2008 by Pushing the boundary   I realise my track record on influencing people’s voting choices isn’t great, but for the record I wholeheartedly agree with Dave Cole’s conclusions on next [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Stop Boris</title>
		<link>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/04/23/tactical-voting-against-boris-johnson/#comment-745</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Stop Boris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 20:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/04/23/tactical-voting-against-boris-johnson/#comment-745</guid>
		<description>James W:
That's a bizarre point. I've seen loads of people comparing Boris to Bush - both play the fool but disguise quite nasty right-wing views, both opposed Kyoto, both are quite libertarian, both are offensive to various people, both opposed gay rights... the comparisons are endless. I've never heard anyone compare Ken with Bush, other than favourably.

What 'good ideas' does Boris have? I don't recall much in the way of good ideas, or indeed any fleshed-out ideas at all from him in the entire campaign.


QuestionThat:
Forgot to respond to your point earlier. My point about Dave was that he has provided independent verification that Stop Boris is not a 'Team Ken front' or whatever I was accused of being. Suggesting he isn't independent enough to be able to do that adequately was suggesting that both he and I are all part of some big Team Ken front and in league with each other and so forth. I don't think anyone could seriously suggest that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James W:<br />
That&#8217;s a bizarre point. I&#8217;ve seen loads of people comparing Boris to Bush - both play the fool but disguise quite nasty right-wing views, both opposed Kyoto, both are quite libertarian, both are offensive to various people, both opposed gay rights&#8230; the comparisons are endless. I&#8217;ve never heard anyone compare Ken with Bush, other than favourably.</p>
<p>What &#8216;good ideas&#8217; does Boris have? I don&#8217;t recall much in the way of good ideas, or indeed any fleshed-out ideas at all from him in the entire campaign.</p>
<p>QuestionThat:<br />
Forgot to respond to your point earlier. My point about Dave was that he has provided independent verification that Stop Boris is not a &#8216;Team Ken front&#8217; or whatever I was accused of being. Suggesting he isn&#8217;t independent enough to be able to do that adequately was suggesting that both he and I are all part of some big Team Ken front and in league with each other and so forth. I don&#8217;t think anyone could seriously suggest that!</p>
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		<title>By: James W.</title>
		<link>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/04/23/tactical-voting-against-boris-johnson/#comment-744</link>
		<dc:creator>James W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 20:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/04/23/tactical-voting-against-boris-johnson/#comment-744</guid>
		<description>This site obviously has no clue about Boris' policies and the lack of common sense emanating from Ken Livingstone and some of the other candidates. Boris may be seen by some as a fool, but I'd rather have a fool with good ideas than someone with ideas that seem to have come from the 'brain' of George 'China is Big' Bush as Mayor anyday.

Hope that Boris wins and you are proven wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This site obviously has no clue about Boris&#8217; policies and the lack of common sense emanating from Ken Livingstone and some of the other candidates. Boris may be seen by some as a fool, but I&#8217;d rather have a fool with good ideas than someone with ideas that seem to have come from the &#8216;brain&#8217; of George &#8216;China is Big&#8217; Bush as Mayor anyday.</p>
<p>Hope that Boris wins and you are proven wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Stop Boris</title>
		<link>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/04/23/tactical-voting-against-boris-johnson/#comment-730</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Stop Boris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 17:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/04/23/tactical-voting-against-boris-johnson/#comment-730</guid>
		<description>ChrisB:
I've never yet deleted a comment from this web site, and I will continue that policy with yours, because frankly your comment reflects so spectacularly badly on Boris supporters that I can only foresee it furthering our cause, if anything.

rob:
I'm not sure what you mean by "advertising the Stop Boris on websites". I only run this web site. Which web sites have you seen Stop Boris being advertised on? I'm rather confused by your comment and I'd like to understand what you think is "underhand".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ChrisB:<br />
I&#8217;ve never yet deleted a comment from this web site, and I will continue that policy with yours, because frankly your comment reflects so spectacularly badly on Boris supporters that I can only foresee it furthering our cause, if anything.</p>
<p>rob:<br />
I&#8217;m not sure what you mean by &#8220;advertising the Stop Boris on websites&#8221;. I only run this web site. Which web sites have you seen Stop Boris being advertised on? I&#8217;m rather confused by your comment and I&#8217;d like to understand what you think is &#8220;underhand&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: rob</title>
		<link>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/04/23/tactical-voting-against-boris-johnson/#comment-729</link>
		<dc:creator>rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 16:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/04/23/tactical-voting-against-boris-johnson/#comment-729</guid>
		<description>You're entitled to your own opinion of who to vote for, i'm not voting and dont plan to.  But advertising the Stop Boris on websites is an under hand tactic, and only makes me wish i had voted boris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re entitled to your own opinion of who to vote for, i&#8217;m not voting and dont plan to.  But advertising the Stop Boris on websites is an under hand tactic, and only makes me wish i had voted boris</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisB</title>
		<link>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/04/23/tactical-voting-against-boris-johnson/#comment-728</link>
		<dc:creator>ChrisB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 14:55:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/04/23/tactical-voting-against-boris-johnson/#comment-728</guid>
		<description>Fucking communist scum. Red Ken and Gordon the Jock are useless muppets. Vote Boris all the way. An educated gentleman or a wilting, pathetic prick of a communist...........? No contest.......Vote for Boris.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fucking communist scum. Red Ken and Gordon the Jock are useless muppets. Vote Boris all the way. An educated gentleman or a wilting, pathetic prick of a communist&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..? No contest&#8230;&#8230;.Vote for Boris.</p>
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		<title>By: QuestionThat</title>
		<link>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/04/23/tactical-voting-against-boris-johnson/#comment-724</link>
		<dc:creator>QuestionThat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 13:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/04/23/tactical-voting-against-boris-johnson/#comment-724</guid>
		<description>Dave Hill has now admitted that he is &lt;a href="http://davehill.typepad.com/london3ms/2008/04/cif-big-one.html#more" rel="nofollow"&gt;supportive of Ken&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave Hill has now admitted that he is <a href="http://davehill.typepad.com/london3ms/2008/04/cif-big-one.html#more" rel="nofollow">supportive of Ken</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: paul mccabe</title>
		<link>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/04/23/tactical-voting-against-boris-johnson/#comment-691</link>
		<dc:creator>paul mccabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/04/23/tactical-voting-against-boris-johnson/#comment-691</guid>
		<description>keep ken in .we can't have a tory running london</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>keep ken in .we can&#8217;t have a tory running london</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Stop Boris</title>
		<link>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/04/23/tactical-voting-against-boris-johnson/#comment-689</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Stop Boris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/04/23/tactical-voting-against-boris-johnson/#comment-689</guid>
		<description>Thanks Lee. I don't want to overstate Brian's chances of actually becoming Mayor, which are very small, but it's nevertheless the case that a combination of Brian and Ken is psephologically the best way to stop Boris.

Because of the two-preference system in use, the only 'wasted vote' in this election, by which I mean a completely wasted Mayoral ballot paper, is a ballot paper which does not contain a vote for one of Ken and Boris, since the choice is extremely unlikely not to come down to those two at the end of the process. Which of your two votes you give to Ken (or, god forbid, Boris), and how you use your other vote, is entirely up to you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Lee. I don&#8217;t want to overstate Brian&#8217;s chances of actually becoming Mayor, which are very small, but it&#8217;s nevertheless the case that a combination of Brian and Ken is psephologically the best way to stop Boris.</p>
<p>Because of the two-preference system in use, the only &#8216;wasted vote&#8217; in this election, by which I mean a completely wasted Mayoral ballot paper, is a ballot paper which does not contain a vote for one of Ken and Boris, since the choice is extremely unlikely not to come down to those two at the end of the process. Which of your two votes you give to Ken (or, god forbid, Boris), and how you use your other vote, is entirely up to you!</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Baker</title>
		<link>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/04/23/tactical-voting-against-boris-johnson/#comment-688</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/04/23/tactical-voting-against-boris-johnson/#comment-688</guid>
		<description>Thank you for helping to combat the ceaseless propaganda from the unholy alliance of the Evening Standard and Ken Livingstone that a vote for Brian Paddick is 'a wasted vote'. 

A vote for Brian is a positive vote, a vote that says 'I'm not going to vote Ken, even though I don't like the way he's running the city (meeting developers to tell them to make office buildings taller, but refusing to listen to residents' concerns; standing 'shoulder to shoulder' on platforms with homophobic, sexist Muslim clerics; wasting money on self-propaganda etc etc), I'm not going to vote for him simply because he's the 'lesser of two evils'. 

You can vote Brian 1, Ken 2 to 'stop Boris'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for helping to combat the ceaseless propaganda from the unholy alliance of the Evening Standard and Ken Livingstone that a vote for Brian Paddick is &#8216;a wasted vote&#8217;. </p>
<p>A vote for Brian is a positive vote, a vote that says &#8216;I&#8217;m not going to vote Ken, even though I don&#8217;t like the way he&#8217;s running the city (meeting developers to tell them to make office buildings taller, but refusing to listen to residents&#8217; concerns; standing &#8217;shoulder to shoulder&#8217; on platforms with homophobic, sexist Muslim clerics; wasting money on self-propaganda etc etc), I&#8217;m not going to vote for him simply because he&#8217;s the &#8216;lesser of two evils&#8217;. </p>
<p>You can vote Brian 1, Ken 2 to &#8217;stop Boris&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Stop Boris</title>
		<link>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/04/23/tactical-voting-against-boris-johnson/#comment-591</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Stop Boris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 15:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/04/23/tactical-voting-against-boris-johnson/#comment-591</guid>
		<description>Thanks Rania, it's good to see campaigners for the 'minor' candidates taking the time to explain to their supporters how the voting system works and how to use their second preference vote to stop Boris.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Rania, it&#8217;s good to see campaigners for the &#8216;minor&#8217; candidates taking the time to explain to their supporters how the voting system works and how to use their second preference vote to stop Boris.</p>
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		<title>By: Rania Khan</title>
		<link>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/04/23/tactical-voting-against-boris-johnson/#comment-587</link>
		<dc:creator>Rania Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 12:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/04/23/tactical-voting-against-boris-johnson/#comment-587</guid>
		<description>Left List TV and Radio Broadcast 

The Left List TV broadcast will be shown on Tuesday 22nd April on BBC1 at 6:55pm and ITV1 at 6:25pm. Our radio broadcast will be on BBC Radio London at 6:55pm. 

The broadcast is a fantastic statement of what we stand for and deserves to be seen as widely as possible. Click on the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIBKwRHvkV8 , watch it and send it round to all your friends! You can also view it from www.lindsey4london.org. 


Councillor Rania Khan's responce to 'Vote for Ken'

It is naive to think that giving Ken Livingstone a second preference instead of a first will do his election chances any serious harm. The two preference system of voting allows people to vote FOR what best suits their aspirations and not risk letting in the more worrying front runner. If Boris Johnson gets 50%+ in the first round, it won't be because of the way other people voted, it will purely be because more than half the people showed a preference for him.


Once the 'minor' candidates have been discounted from the race, the second preference votes carry just as much weight as first preferences, meaning you cannot 'waste' a vote on a minor candidate. The Green Party and the Left List are calling on their supporters to second preference to keep Boris Johnson out, they will doubtless be joined by many LibDem voters.


Ken Livingstone has been a key supporter of Muslims and someone who takes a good stand against Islamophobia, but there are many of his policies that are detrimental to muslims and poor people in London. He supported Sir Ian Blair after the murder Jean Charles de Menezes, has called for increased police powers and supports the discriminating ID card and national identity register. These aside, he remains a far preferable candidate than Johnson who's crimes and objections I do not need to list here.


Lindsey German has been instrumental in the involvement of muslims in the anti-war movement, has stood shoulder to shoulder with us in some of the most difficult times. I remember hearing her inspiring speeches after 7/7, the legacy of the Stop the War Coalition, of which she is convenor, has changed the interaction between muslims and the rest of society to great benefit.


I will be supporting the Left List in this election and voting for Lindsey as my first preference but am also giving my second preference to Ken in order to keep Boris out. I will urge the Muslim community to do the same to vote for someone who has always spoken up for us and worked with us. This can only work to help us. Perhaps most importantly is the make sure people vote for the Left List on the London wide assembly member ballot. Here, Lindsey stands a real chance of getting elected onto the Greater London Assembly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Left List TV and Radio Broadcast </p>
<p>The Left List TV broadcast will be shown on Tuesday 22nd April on BBC1 at 6:55pm and ITV1 at 6:25pm. Our radio broadcast will be on BBC Radio London at 6:55pm. </p>
<p>The broadcast is a fantastic statement of what we stand for and deserves to be seen as widely as possible. Click on the link <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIBKwRHvkV8" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIBKwRHvkV8</a> , watch it and send it round to all your friends! You can also view it from <a href="http://www.lindsey4london.org." rel="nofollow">http://www.lindsey4london.org.</a> </p>
<p>Councillor Rania Khan&#8217;s responce to &#8216;Vote for Ken&#8217;</p>
<p>It is naive to think that giving Ken Livingstone a second preference instead of a first will do his election chances any serious harm. The two preference system of voting allows people to vote FOR what best suits their aspirations and not risk letting in the more worrying front runner. If Boris Johnson gets 50%+ in the first round, it won&#8217;t be because of the way other people voted, it will purely be because more than half the people showed a preference for him.</p>
<p>Once the &#8216;minor&#8217; candidates have been discounted from the race, the second preference votes carry just as much weight as first preferences, meaning you cannot &#8216;waste&#8217; a vote on a minor candidate. The Green Party and the Left List are calling on their supporters to second preference to keep Boris Johnson out, they will doubtless be joined by many LibDem voters.</p>
<p>Ken Livingstone has been a key supporter of Muslims and someone who takes a good stand against Islamophobia, but there are many of his policies that are detrimental to muslims and poor people in London. He supported Sir Ian Blair after the murder Jean Charles de Menezes, has called for increased police powers and supports the discriminating ID card and national identity register. These aside, he remains a far preferable candidate than Johnson who&#8217;s crimes and objections I do not need to list here.</p>
<p>Lindsey German has been instrumental in the involvement of muslims in the anti-war movement, has stood shoulder to shoulder with us in some of the most difficult times. I remember hearing her inspiring speeches after 7/7, the legacy of the Stop the War Coalition, of which she is convenor, has changed the interaction between muslims and the rest of society to great benefit.</p>
<p>I will be supporting the Left List in this election and voting for Lindsey as my first preference but am also giving my second preference to Ken in order to keep Boris out. I will urge the Muslim community to do the same to vote for someone who has always spoken up for us and worked with us. This can only work to help us. Perhaps most importantly is the make sure people vote for the Left List on the London wide assembly member ballot. Here, Lindsey stands a real chance of getting elected onto the Greater London Assembly.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Stop Boris</title>
		<link>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/04/23/tactical-voting-against-boris-johnson/#comment-563</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Stop Boris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/04/23/tactical-voting-against-boris-johnson/#comment-563</guid>
		<description>Diversity: Vote today! Don't leave it 'til tomorrow or Sunday, whatever you do! ;-)

MatGB: Thanks for stopping by. I'm glad you think I've captured the spirit of your case, and, well, I did only say you &lt;em&gt;sounded&lt;/em&gt; to be something of an expert, which you do :-)

I take it you meant you'd use your second preference for Boris? I'm afraid that if so I will have no option but to dislike you enormously ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diversity: Vote today! Don&#8217;t leave it &#8217;til tomorrow or Sunday, whatever you do! <img src='http://www.stopboris.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>MatGB: Thanks for stopping by. I&#8217;m glad you think I&#8217;ve captured the spirit of your case, and, well, I did only say you <em>sounded</em> to be something of an expert, which you do <img src='http://www.stopboris.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I take it you meant you&#8217;d use your second preference for Boris? I&#8217;m afraid that if so I will have no option but to dislike you enormously <img src='http://www.stopboris.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: MatGB</title>
		<link>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/04/23/tactical-voting-against-boris-johnson/#comment-511</link>
		<dc:creator>MatGB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 22:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/04/23/tactical-voting-against-boris-johnson/#comment-511</guid>
		<description>Well, wouldn't say I was an expert as such, but it's something I've studied and take a strong interest in.  But that is in fact a very well written explanation and is close to the post I've been planning for ages.  So instead I'll be linking to it all over the place as you've quoted me and my argument.

Publicansdecoy (who's anonymous for professional reasons) has basically regurgitated and rewritten discussions in his comments box I've had with various people going back months, and done a very good job.  If I still lived in London I'd have undoubtedly been reading this site extensively, and am impressed anyway.

Probably a good job I don't though, afraid I'm in the stop Ken camp and thus would use my 2nd for him...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, wouldn&#8217;t say I was an expert as such, but it&#8217;s something I&#8217;ve studied and take a strong interest in.  But that is in fact a very well written explanation and is close to the post I&#8217;ve been planning for ages.  So instead I&#8217;ll be linking to it all over the place as you&#8217;ve quoted me and my argument.</p>
<p>Publicansdecoy (who&#8217;s anonymous for professional reasons) has basically regurgitated and rewritten discussions in his comments box I&#8217;ve had with various people going back months, and done a very good job.  If I still lived in London I&#8217;d have undoubtedly been reading this site extensively, and am impressed anyway.</p>
<p>Probably a good job I don&#8217;t though, afraid I&#8217;m in the stop Ken camp and thus would use my 2nd for him&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Diversity</title>
		<link>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/04/23/tactical-voting-against-boris-johnson/#comment-492</link>
		<dc:creator>Diversity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/04/23/tactical-voting-against-boris-johnson/#comment-492</guid>
		<description>On Mondays Wednesdays and Fridays, I am in the "Stop Boris!" camp. On Saturdays, Sundays and Tuesdays the past-sell-by smell of Ken overwhelms me.

So for me Brian the Paddick 1st, with second depending on when I cast my postal vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Mondays Wednesdays and Fridays, I am in the &#8220;Stop Boris!&#8221; camp. On Saturdays, Sundays and Tuesdays the past-sell-by smell of Ken overwhelms me.</p>
<p>So for me Brian the Paddick 1st, with second depending on when I cast my postal vote.</p>
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