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	<title>Comments on: Boris&#8217;s next enviro-pledge: encourage more waste and energy use</title>
	<link>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/03/27/boriss-next-enviro-pledge-encourage-more-waste-and-energy-use/</link>
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		<title>By: Peter Dawes</title>
		<link>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/03/27/boriss-next-enviro-pledge-encourage-more-waste-and-energy-use/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Dawes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/03/27/boriss-next-enviro-pledge-encourage-more-waste-and-energy-use/#comment-32</guid>
		<description>Delf defeating? Who are these delfs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Delf defeating? Who are these delfs?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Dawes</title>
		<link>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/03/27/boriss-next-enviro-pledge-encourage-more-waste-and-energy-use/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Dawes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 00:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/03/27/boriss-next-enviro-pledge-encourage-more-waste-and-energy-use/#comment-31</guid>
		<description>Delighted to find some common ground. Believe me, I don't disagree with you through perversity or party allegiance (I have none); I take issues as they come.

If you want to keep the streets clean, charging by weight is delf-defeating when dealing with a fickle public. Either you're going to clean up the mess or not - after all, they have paid for the service.  There will be some unfairness, but no more than if I overload the dustbin one week (clobbered with excess charge) then go on holiday for the next fortnight and leave it empty (no rebate).

Instead of sending kids on politically motivated trips to the Holocaust graves in Germany, every school should arrange a visit to the recycling process centre and see how difficult it is to sort their rubbish. Me, I peel the labels of banana skins before putting them in the council composting bin. It might help to keep the rates down. And if a job's worth doing...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Delighted to find some common ground. Believe me, I don&#8217;t disagree with you through perversity or party allegiance (I have none); I take issues as they come.</p>
<p>If you want to keep the streets clean, charging by weight is delf-defeating when dealing with a fickle public. Either you&#8217;re going to clean up the mess or not - after all, they have paid for the service.  There will be some unfairness, but no more than if I overload the dustbin one week (clobbered with excess charge) then go on holiday for the next fortnight and leave it empty (no rebate).</p>
<p>Instead of sending kids on politically motivated trips to the Holocaust graves in Germany, every school should arrange a visit to the recycling process centre and see how difficult it is to sort their rubbish. Me, I peel the labels of banana skins before putting them in the council composting bin. It might help to keep the rates down. And if a job&#8217;s worth doing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Stop Boris</title>
		<link>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/03/27/boriss-next-enviro-pledge-encourage-more-waste-and-energy-use/#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Stop Boris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/03/27/boriss-next-enviro-pledge-encourage-more-waste-and-energy-use/#comment-29</guid>
		<description>Wow, agreement - the last thing I expected when I clicked through to see a comment from you :-)

I don't particularly personally favour trying to impose penalties for heavy bins, partly for the reasons you describe and partly because without, say, lockable bins it's far too easy for those of us with half-empty bins to find ourselves paying for others' waste that's been added to our bins. We get people dumping their rubbish in our bin sometimes anyway when our local authority doesn't even charge by weight. (So it doesn't matter, obviously - I'm not one of these people who gets very precious about the violation of his bin, or indeed its internal cleanliness or odour...)

But incentives based on bin contents are equally fraught with difficulties and I think Boris is just walking into a minefield here - and it's a completely stupid minefield to walk into anyway when the Mayor has no powers over recycling anyway. Why bring trouble on yourself over something you can't really achieve anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, agreement - the last thing I expected when I clicked through to see a comment from you <img src='http://www.stopboris.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t particularly personally favour trying to impose penalties for heavy bins, partly for the reasons you describe and partly because without, say, lockable bins it&#8217;s far too easy for those of us with half-empty bins to find ourselves paying for others&#8217; waste that&#8217;s been added to our bins. We get people dumping their rubbish in our bin sometimes anyway when our local authority doesn&#8217;t even charge by weight. (So it doesn&#8217;t matter, obviously - I&#8217;m not one of these people who gets very precious about the violation of his bin, or indeed its internal cleanliness or odour&#8230;)</p>
<p>But incentives based on bin contents are equally fraught with difficulties and I think Boris is just walking into a minefield here - and it&#8217;s a completely stupid minefield to walk into anyway when the Mayor has no powers over recycling anyway. Why bring trouble on yourself over something you can&#8217;t really achieve anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Dawes</title>
		<link>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/03/27/boriss-next-enviro-pledge-encourage-more-waste-and-energy-use/#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Dawes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 23:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/03/27/boriss-next-enviro-pledge-encourage-more-waste-and-energy-use/#comment-27</guid>
		<description>I mostly agree with your points about recycling. Trouble is, once you start *penalising* people for filling their dustbins, they dump the surplus on the street or grass verge. It's called the law of unintended consequences, a concept which Labour has never been able to grasp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mostly agree with your points about recycling. Trouble is, once you start *penalising* people for filling their dustbins, they dump the surplus on the street or grass verge. It&#8217;s called the law of unintended consequences, a concept which Labour has never been able to grasp.</p>
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