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	<title>Comments on: Surreal Metronet coverage</title>
	<link>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/03/20/surreal-metronet-coverage/</link>
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		<title>By: Boris on the (non-) Andrew Marr Show</title>
		<link>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/03/20/surreal-metronet-coverage/#comment-1194</link>
		<dc:creator>Boris on the (non-) Andrew Marr Show</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 20:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/03/20/surreal-metronet-coverage/#comment-1194</guid>
		<description>[...] of taxpayers’ money. This is a plan he seems to have remarkably little problem with compared with his view on Ken Livingstone’s legal challenge to the Underground PPP, as expressed during the elec... (summary: regardless of how right the challenge was, it was a waste of taxpayers’ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] of taxpayers’ money. This is a plan he seems to have remarkably little problem with compared with his view on Ken Livingstone’s legal challenge to the Underground PPP, as expressed during the elec&#8230; (summary: regardless of how right the challenge was, it was a waste of taxpayers’ [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Stop Boris</title>
		<link>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/03/20/surreal-metronet-coverage/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Stop Boris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/03/20/surreal-metronet-coverage/#comment-13</guid>
		<description>I'm sure five or ten years ago you would have said the same thing about people only taking cars and lorries into London because they had to, yet people have shifted from cars to public transport/cycling/walking since then as these other methods have been made more attractive. Are you saying we have suddenly just now reached the limit of that shift from cars to other methods of transport? Do you have any evidence to support this suggestion?

As for the idea that favouring cars over pedestrians would make walking more pleasant, that's laughable. If the changes proposed did actually lead to the freer movement of traffic you suggest, so that the current traffic had cleared by 6.30, do you not think word might get around to people who've participated in the shift away from cars, and that they might not just shift back to take advantage of the clearer roads, ensuring they were still snarled up, but with even more pollution and ‘stinking’ from the larger number of vehicles?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure five or ten years ago you would have said the same thing about people only taking cars and lorries into London because they had to, yet people have shifted from cars to public transport/cycling/walking since then as these other methods have been made more attractive. Are you saying we have suddenly just now reached the limit of that shift from cars to other methods of transport? Do you have any evidence to support this suggestion?</p>
<p>As for the idea that favouring cars over pedestrians would make walking more pleasant, that&#8217;s laughable. If the changes proposed did actually lead to the freer movement of traffic you suggest, so that the current traffic had cleared by 6.30, do you not think word might get around to people who&#8217;ve participated in the shift away from cars, and that they might not just shift back to take advantage of the clearer roads, ensuring they were still snarled up, but with even more pollution and ‘stinking’ from the larger number of vehicles?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Dawes</title>
		<link>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/03/20/surreal-metronet-coverage/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Dawes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/03/20/surreal-metronet-coverage/#comment-12</guid>
		<description>Sorry, Mr Stop, I cannot for the life of me see how giving traffic a few more seconds to get moving is going to generate one single extra pedestrian. People who take cars and lorries into London do so either because they have to or because their journey is too far to walk.

You could equally argue that allowing traffic to move more freely might generate more pedestrians because it will clear quicker. Just imagine that; snarl-ups dispersed by 6.30pm instead of 7pm. An extra half hour for walking without having to dodge stinking traffic jams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Mr Stop, I cannot for the life of me see how giving traffic a few more seconds to get moving is going to generate one single extra pedestrian. People who take cars and lorries into London do so either because they have to or because their journey is too far to walk.</p>
<p>You could equally argue that allowing traffic to move more freely might generate more pedestrians because it will clear quicker. Just imagine that; snarl-ups dispersed by 6.30pm instead of 7pm. An extra half hour for walking without having to dodge stinking traffic jams.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Stop Boris</title>
		<link>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/03/20/surreal-metronet-coverage/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Stop Boris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 18:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/03/20/surreal-metronet-coverage/#comment-10</guid>
		<description>Leaving the signals on green for longer? It doesn't matter how you phrase it, the idea is to tip the balance even further into the favour of the big dangerous chunks of metal damaging the environment and away from the individuals helping the environment and their own health by walking. Why should someone walking have to wait longer to cross the road? It just makes walking a less attractive option and driving a more attractive option. It's hardly going to continue the trend away from cars that has seen London become the only big city in the world to experience a move away from cars and onto public transport over the past few years.

And regardless of what that article may or may not go into detail about, I've heard elsewhere (no, I don't recall where, so ignore this hearsay if you want - everything I said above stands) that the thrust of this idea is that in general there is a set time period which the green man is on display for at nearly all crossings in Britain, but there have for some time been hundreds (thousands?) in London with a shorter time period. Over the past few years a substantial proportion of these these have been brought up to the standards seen elsewhere in Britain, and there are plans to continue this work by bringing all the others into line too. Boris wants to stop that work, and undo the work done elsewhere, so he &lt;em&gt;does&lt;/em&gt; want to reduce the time pedestrians have to cross the road.

It strikes me that the only woolly thinking around here is being done by someone who thinks it's a good idea to encourage more car use in London and discourage walking. Why on earth would anyone want to do that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leaving the signals on green for longer? It doesn&#8217;t matter how you phrase it, the idea is to tip the balance even further into the favour of the big dangerous chunks of metal damaging the environment and away from the individuals helping the environment and their own health by walking. Why should someone walking have to wait longer to cross the road? It just makes walking a less attractive option and driving a more attractive option. It&#8217;s hardly going to continue the trend away from cars that has seen London become the only big city in the world to experience a move away from cars and onto public transport over the past few years.</p>
<p>And regardless of what that article may or may not go into detail about, I&#8217;ve heard elsewhere (no, I don&#8217;t recall where, so ignore this hearsay if you want - everything I said above stands) that the thrust of this idea is that in general there is a set time period which the green man is on display for at nearly all crossings in Britain, but there have for some time been hundreds (thousands?) in London with a shorter time period. Over the past few years a substantial proportion of these these have been brought up to the standards seen elsewhere in Britain, and there are plans to continue this work by bringing all the others into line too. Boris wants to stop that work, and undo the work done elsewhere, so he <em>does</em> want to reduce the time pedestrians have to cross the road.</p>
<p>It strikes me that the only woolly thinking around here is being done by someone who thinks it&#8217;s a good idea to encourage more car use in London and discourage walking. Why on earth would anyone want to do that?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Dawes</title>
		<link>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/03/20/surreal-metronet-coverage/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Dawes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 14:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/03/20/surreal-metronet-coverage/#comment-9</guid>
		<description>Clare, please point me to the bit that says he wants to shorten the phase given to pedestrians, or see old ladies and children run over. It seems that what he's proposing is to leave signals on green for longer, putting an end to the absurd situation where the front car has hardly got into gear before the lights turn red again. It makes perfect sense if you're not blinkered by woolly thinking and class hatred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clare, please point me to the bit that says he wants to shorten the phase given to pedestrians, or see old ladies and children run over. It seems that what he&#8217;s proposing is to leave signals on green for longer, putting an end to the absurd situation where the front car has hardly got into gear before the lights turn red again. It makes perfect sense if you&#8217;re not blinkered by woolly thinking and class hatred.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Stop Boris</title>
		<link>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/03/20/surreal-metronet-coverage/#comment-3</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Stop Boris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 14:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/03/20/surreal-metronet-coverage/#comment-3</guid>
		<description>Thanks Clare, that's a good article and a topic we haven't touched on enough in our campaign, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Clare, that&#8217;s a good article and a topic we haven&#8217;t touched on enough in our campaign, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Clare</title>
		<link>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/03/20/surreal-metronet-coverage/#comment-2</link>
		<dc:creator>Clare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 13:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.stopboris.org/blog/2008/03/20/surreal-metronet-coverage/#comment-2</guid>
		<description>Here's another fabulous Boris policy for you, apparently he wants to shorten the time given for pedestrians to cross the road at traffic lights so that it will reduce congestion. Brilliant. Never mind the old ladies and young children being run over when the lights change as they're in the middle of the road, no, let's pander to the middle class motorist with his Chelsea tractor who can't wait 10 more seconds to dash off and do something extremely important. Yes, I think this gem has changed my mind entirely, it's Boris all the way for me now! ;)

http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/driving/article3478456.ece</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another fabulous Boris policy for you, apparently he wants to shorten the time given for pedestrians to cross the road at traffic lights so that it will reduce congestion. Brilliant. Never mind the old ladies and young children being run over when the lights change as they&#8217;re in the middle of the road, no, let&#8217;s pander to the middle class motorist with his Chelsea tractor who can&#8217;t wait 10 more seconds to dash off and do something extremely important. Yes, I think this gem has changed my mind entirely, it&#8217;s Boris all the way for me now! <img src='http://www.stopboris.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/driving/article3478456.ece" rel="nofollow">http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/driving/article3478456.ece</a></p>
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